Take the dining saloon. Did J. P. Morgan and J. The panelling used shows a number on the frame that says 401. )", By December 1911, Titanic was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. Actually it is quite simply medium grey primer that was used on all three Olympic class ships, including Titanic, Wheelton, however, continues down to the storeroom and then went again up to the boat deck on the starboard side. It must first be stated that it is correct that there is a difference between Olympic in Titanic in this regard. Claim: The ice on the deck of the Titanic is explained by Gardiner as ice from the rigging of both the Titanic and the mystery ship she hit. His quote that "the question remains openI do not have enough concrete information" is from a 2004 episode named "Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank?" One of the ships bells was Also a sealed design would have restricted access to certain parts of the ship 33. Most died of exposure in the freezing water of the North Atlantic because there were not enough lifeboats. - Yes. Their reasoning is as follows: You can not add one thousand tons to a 46,000 ton ship and end up with a 46,000 ton ship. Firstly, how would White Star believe they could pull something like this off when no doubt hundreds of crew would see water pouring into the ship through the seacocks? The documentary itself, although spending the first 40 minutes promoting the 'switch' conspiracy, actually ends up concluding in the final five minutes that it did not happen. Since they both essentially had the same dimensions, the difference is simply due to revised interior configurations As it is a montage that was artificially created they could have quite easily ensured that this area was not accurately shown.? But they were cut short for several good reasons. However, this is not unusual, even for modern ships, and can be due to several factors. In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. First and foremost there is no documented evidence to verify it. Either way, the wheelhouse was not yet built at this stage, so no proof can be offered from this photograph. You do not need to be an expert to see that it certainly does not. the shadows of the butt lap is still discernable." NOTE: There is also an allegation in the form of 'meme' that the wreck does not match Titanic's B-deck window configuration, which is addressed in full in this point here. This is completely false. They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. This claim is of course connected to the previous claim that the ship hit, instead of an iceberg, an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. Titanic, although only just superceding her sister in size, was no longer big news and so the public and media were not as interested in her maiden voyage as that of her sister. However his comments that the In 33 von 66 Fllen wurde der Preistrger spter mit einem Oscar ausgezeichnet, zuletzt 2022 geschehen, mit der Preisvergabe . What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. Again no mention here that lifeboats were seen from B Deck. Claim: Olympic had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe, while Titanic during her construction did not. But of course there is overwhelming evidence it was the Titanic that sank, which places this particular claim as purely conspiracy conjecture, for which there is no logic, let alone evidence. 19. However, this was not unique to Titanic. It mentions "Paddy the Pig" aka James Fenton. answer was to grind the names off the bells. Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. To confirm this Parks Stephenson visited B-52 with James Cameron on a later mission in 2001 and described the room as still retaining "several of its fittings. 40. The ships that were launched were not launched in a finished state. 'The Olympic Room' (Click image to enlarge). Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic 5. by passengers and crew familiar with the Olympic? Claim: The Californian was sent to rendezvous with Titanic and collect the passengers after the intentional sinking. When they were not working, they were in the pub, drinking and talking. Firstly, Ismay's wife and children did not cancel at the last moment. They would only be interested in shorter crossings. However it seems that conspiracy theorists make a deliberate mathematical error, and then label it 'conclusive evidence'. ', When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean. (British Enquiry (Day 3) Let's examine an 'actual' documented photograph of Titanic's starboard forward B-deck: Titanic's starboard side, taken around noon on April 11th, 1912, as she is anchored outside Queenstown, Ireland, to take on passengers. . His father, a hotel proprietor and licensed victualler, was also born in Portsmouth whilst his mother was a native of Alfriston, Sussex. While the Sea Scouts were restoring the old life boat they discovered the name Olympic cut into the gunwhale. There he won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry, a contest wherein students wrote poetry on a set topic, in this case the opening of trade and diplomatic relations between Japan and the United States in 185354. Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the Olympic Also, fragments of linoleum have been recovered from the wreck, further proving this to be more likely than carpet. Difference in tonnage 7. About 29 results for James Fenton's poetry masterclass. However, it is definitely not logical. We also have a substantial amount of supporting evidence to prove that Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved: 1. Author Steve Hall: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic.". 19343. When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard, answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean.". The Turkish bath spaces were different. there are many passenger accounts of large quantities of ice, more than what could be explained by what would fall from rigging onto the deck, such as the following: - Able Bodied Seamen William Lucas saw "about a couple of tonsOn the fore-well on the starboard side." anything like this. Birma (70 miles) Russian East Asiatic Company Eastbound, New York-Rotterdam-Libau But most critically, there is no photographic evidence or -most noticeably- testimony from Dr Robert Ballard regarding this suspect "longitudinal bulkhead." This woodwork has the reverse sides clearly marked. This is confirmed by Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, who adds: "While it is true that some survivors such as Beesley and Chambers did speak about a port list, this was taken out of context as both were referring to April 14th. Gardiner bases this hypothesis on the idea that the supposed iceberg was seen at such a short distance by the lookouts because it was actually a darkened ship. Goodwin Antiques 295 $361.88 345.06 Silver Enamelled Bracelet Recess Antiques 50.00 $61.34 58.49 Silver Blade Fruit Knife . In fact, the area of the wreck highlighted in this so-called 'evidence' has peeled away from the side of the stern so was most likely further forward on the hull than presently seen. After studying at the Chorister School in Durham, where he performed with the cathedrals renowned choir, he attended the Repton School and the British Institute of Florence. seemingly confuses the two in name. of the surviving crew. Corrections? The closest we have is when he is questioned about the binoculars and is asked: 19342. Those travelling east bound logically did not depart from England, and so were relatively unaffected by the coal strike. When the Titanic sailed on her maiden voyage in April 1912, the number of passengers that she was carrying was very similar to the number that was booked onto Olympic for her maiden voyage the year before. Cameron's expedition showed it matched Titanic." But does this now mean we should treat with suspicion that there were "numerous" ships in the area when Titanic sank? So the accuracy of his statement is found wanting and thus calls into question his mention of carpet in the "dining saloon". 2. The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . 34. Dr. Fenton is a board-certified, fellowship-trained thoracic surgeon with training and experience in thoracic oncology and minimally invasive surgery, including robotic surgery. Claim: Since an iceberg could not inflict such damage on a steel double-hulled vessel such as the Titanic, it must have hit And that was a very surreal kind of image for me too to see these little white crabs crawling around in the fireplace of the room that was commissioned for J.P.Morgan. Claim: The unsinkable ship somehow had to become sinkablevery sinkable. Without evidential support it is merely another concocted claim. Claim: White Star never had any intention of scuttling the ship. Early on, she was broadly running level with Olympics It involves 3 photographs. 19344. "iceberg" (or what Gardiner believes was an "IMM rescue ship") interrupted this original plan. shelved 11,906 times Showing 30 distinct works. a lifeboat, keeping older hands on deck for lowering boats. The Olympic deck plans show a curved wheelhouse: 2. Mark Chirnside writes regarding the bell in his dissertation: "The absence of a name on this bell does not prove that the ship was 2nd-class: 200 And they were not the only ones. 28. even higher than IMMs.". Olympic officers on the bridge It would have been a press scoop. Researchers Bill Sauder and Parks Stephenson have come to the conclusion that in fact the dining room was not carpeted. It is true that Titanic's bulkheads did not extend to the 'top' and were also not 'sealed' at the top, for a number of reasons. Fenton was made a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1983. boilers were on. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above, 31. This claim is often mentioned alongside the above claim about the apparent discrepancy in the number of portholes on Titanic's port side bow. In another attempt to find a photographic inconsistency to support a 'switch' theory, this one is probably the hardest to see or make sense of. Passengers said there were promenades instead of cabins, 32. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one James Fenton | Poetry Foundation Second Class also had an open promenade on the aft end of the Boat Deck, and enclosed ones on B Deck and C Decks. It is clearly in a different area. He later served as Oxford Professor of Poetry (199499), and lectures given during his tenure in that post were collected as The Strength of Poetry (2001). This is consistent with the damage previously sustained by Olympic. The Olympic, like the Titanic, was fitted originally with the same 14-porthole arrangement on the port side of her focsle, but 2 additional portholes were later fitted; they were there in March 1912. Which brings us to a total of at least 1047 aboard the Carpathia on the night of the Titanic disaster. However both RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic had their names riveted oncovering something up perhaps? Not content with an insurance scam 'switch' he also proposes that Titanic (really Olympic) hit, not an iceberg, but an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. While there is some slight confusion over which ship he is referring to "coming from Belfast to Southampton" there is certainly no evidence here of trying to conceal the identity of the two ships. Gardiner further hypothesizes that the ship that was hit by the Titanic was the one seen by the Californian firing distress rockets, and that this explains the perceived inaction of the Californian (which traditionally is seen as failing to come to the rescue of the Titanic after sighting its distress rockets). to Gallatin TN (Pop. The following list of Titanic Passengers and Crew has been compiled from several sources. Also, as discussed in point number 16 above, there was less interest in Titanic's maiden voyage, as her older sister had proceeded her. 10. The lifeboat was wrecked in a collision with the Gosport Ferry at Portsmouth and taken by the Royal Navy to Haslar for demolition. James J. Fenton, MD, is a pulmonologist at National Jewish Health. This has been touted by some as the no.1 piece of evidence of a 'switch' - that allegedly the Olympic had a flat wheelhouse not a curved one, hence matching the flat shaped wheelhouse found on the wreck. It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. overlook something as simple as the number of portholes on the outside of the ship? They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston Above: Titanic, left and Olympic, right. is unfair and disingenuous at best. The long list of differences is discussed on the previous page here. that the carpet was to hide "12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface"? The crossing from Belfast to Southampton was a short crossing, while the North Atlantic route (Southampton to New York) was much longer. Why would it be there? The Olympic didn't even have a carpet, but the Titanic -- ah, you sank in it up to your knees. Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. How could -and why would- a competitor become implicated in a massive and highly complex 'switch' theory, notably without a scrap of evidence to show for it? 43. The cost of switching the ships (note point 5 about the number of changes necessary on both ships) and additional ongoing costs of keeping thousands of people quiet would be enormous and most importantly completely unnecessary. Claim: The Olympic was recorded as having a tonnage of around 45,000, while the Titanic weighed in [sic] at about 46,000. They would not be interested in the transatlantic route as it would mean not returning to Belfast or Southampton for several weeks. (This is something I have noticed. The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets But perhaps more importantly, the Carpathia was at least 50 miles away from the Titanic when it sank and did not respond until hearing the distress messages. Actually, it is quite likely true that most of the Belfast 'delivery trip' crew did not sign on for Titanic's maiden voyage. Paddy said that the guilt of the game. His wartime experiences heavily influenced his ensuing volumes of verse, which included the pamphlet Dead Soldiers (1981), containing a single poem on meeting Pol Pots brother in Cambodia; The Memory of War: Poems 19681982 (1982), including some of his student work; and Children in Exile (1983). Since finishing touches were still being put to the ships accommodation, its hardly surprising that the public was not allowed onboard at Southampton. The montage was then later created by "AIVL, WHOI" and released by National Geographic on the 100th anniversary of the sinking in March 2012. - Leading Fireman Charles Hendrickson (British Inquiry, Day 5). He also confirmed that the ship was doing seventy-five revolutions, not 80 as was possible. 14. In fact his comment was made at least 30 years after the disaster (he was 20 while aboard Titanic), so could well have been an exaggeration. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. 3. The above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in portholes. - Coming from Belfast to Southampton. The branches creak and the shadows leap. CLAIM: Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before the maiden voyage which resulted in J. P. Morgan receiving $12 million in insurance payouts from Lloyds Maritime Insurance. Thirdly, in a picture of Olympic, taken during her 1912/13 refit following the Titanic disaster, this allegedly shows this vessel not to have the 'tell-tale plating' joint, which to 'switch' proponents proves 'conclusively' that the hull pictured is that of Titanic although the name Olympic is clearly visible on both sides of the bow. There is not one occasion in which he As it was named the "Olympic Class" it would hence not be unusual to feature the first ship in any advertising. This image allegedly shows 'hull plating from the wreck showing white and light grey paint showing through the black top coat'. (Click image to enlarge). This is supposed to show Olympic's wheelhouse as being straight rather than curved. old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. There are two keys errors in this hypothesis. He always maintained that the iceberg alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. How many crew and passengers were onboard prior to the rescue? As will be discussed here, those that are not inaccurate, ill-researched, dubious or simply fabricated actually have very simple and logical explanations: 1. However the way in which it is painted to look part of a conspiracy theory Clutch my hand. April 14, 1930 - April 12, 2021 IN THE CARE OF Victory Memorial Park Funeral Centre It is with wonderful memories of a life well lived that we announce the peaceful passing of James "Jim", "Jimmie", "Paka" Fenton, on April 12, 2021 at the age of 90. Upon graduation in 1970, Fenton embarked upon a career as a freelance journalist and was hired (1971) to report on literature and politics for the New Statesman. There are three key points regarding this claim: 1. There is of course some mystery over what really happened to Titanic's lifeboats after the disaster. We have been told by the look-out people that there were binoculars on the Olympic? 12. Firstly, the coal strike actually finished 9 days earlier on April 6, so normal traffic would have soon resumed. The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. Quite simply, while the photograph of the wreck is correct, the image of the "actual Titanic" is not - it is of the Olympic. Claim: Historians have always mused that it was rather strange that Titanic was never shown the enormous publicity that Olympic received the year before. 46. He also may have been confused with the Reception Room, which did indeed have wall-to-wall carpet on the Olympic. Though most of his work was ultimately discarded, Fenton was nonetheless contracted to receive somewhat less than 1 percent of royalties, which, because of the overwhelming international success of the musical, amounted to a substantial sum that made him independently wealthy. 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