On example: I think that it is likely he on his way to being a master of Greco-Roman rhetoric prior to conversion. Removing that aspect will cause misunderstanding of what they were teaching. I didnt know everything 7 years ago either but I have grown and learned new things about God and His Word in the past 7 years, as is normal for a growing believer. Although there are many remarkably similarities between Paul and HIllel, there are serious differences between what might be considered the mainstream of Judaism which survived A.D. 70 (Hillel for the most part) and Pauline Christianity. It generated a great deal of discussion, some of which was more heat than light. That means open your Bible and be specific. Perhaps this may not be too much of a stress, no? We cannot work on assumption that Paul was different to what the book of Acts says. Yeshua himself even quotes these writings directly. This passion is evident in his active persecution of those he saw as going against what the Torah taught about the Messiah. In Philippians 2:6-11 Paul states that Christ Jesus was preexistent and came to earth: he "emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in human likeness." This sounds as if Jesus was a heavenly being who only appeared to be human. But that was the requirement Jesus gave to sit on thrones: You are those who have stood by me in my trials. You, speaking to His 11 Apostles who had been walking with Him faithfully for 3 years. As to pauls seemingly at odds relationship with his teacher Gamaliel, it is no odd thing for a student to differ from a teacher, especially if the student is quite a zealous one. Oh well. If we didnt also have the clear records in Mark and Luke, it would be a fairly logical assumption that Jesus sent them out right away, but it would still be just an assumption. Which is why he had to go to Sinai (which is in current day Saudi Arabia). Yet hes from the school of Shammi? (I dare you to use this in your class), I know a girl made of memories and phrases, lives her whole life in chapters and phases -Jimmy Buffett. I am not sure God as incarnate is the issue, that is certainly not what is preached in Acts 2-3. Paul was actually heeding the words of his teacher Gamaliel, who had said to guard against being "found fighters actually against God" by rejecting his pharisaical life and becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ. Those educational credentials allowed Paul to preach in the synagogues wherever he traveled (see Acts 17:2 ). Why are you waiting, be of those who bow to Gods Will if you know that the Bible has lies in it and is corrupt, you must believe that a true religion exists in the world and isnt a secluded secret for the few who know! Which owner would be upset if we finished early? Generally regarded as one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age , [8] [10] he founded several Christian communities in Asia Minor and Europe from the mid-40s to the mid-50s AD. Jesus did not see even the Hebrew Scriptures, what we call the Old Testament, as a whole unit or book that was all equal or all truly Gods words. Jesus spoke of The Law, or The Law and the Prophets, holding these 2 sections of the Old Testament above the third, least important sections the Writings. And Jesus held the Psalms, the first book of the Writings section, above the other books in the Writings section in importance, since some parts of some Psalms are prophetic. He sent Shaul to the gentiles to teach his message and he is a Pharisee. How can we account for this violent reaction in a man trained by Gamaliel? This has literally been the Orthodox position for almost 2000 years. But he certainly reinforces your prejudice and misunderstanding of the New Testament. This is the reason why Yeshua said that Pharisee should be the the ones teaching. Peter doesnt point to himself, or his own words, or all Scripture or The Bible, Peter doesnt claim his own words are the word of God, and he doesnt claim that he doesnt need a second witness. I wonder what would happen if by his own mouth ,he will say Im Roman now what do you call someone that say things and then change .. This applies to the Pharisee sect. I have come to save the day! Thanks for the pointer. Created by. If Paul's conversion, as described in Acts was a literal event, the account would not so clearly appear to be based on the Greek classics. Shaul and Yehusa were both Jews who practiced Judaism, worshiped in synagogues, at the temple and were part of Jewish society and culture. So Ill smoke with them, but I wont let the weed alter my own mind, because I didnt inhale! In order to be accepted in the Establishment church fellowship, you have to smoke the weed of Paul Worship- just be true to yourself and dont inhale., Maybe I could speak in code, like they did in the New Testament church with the fish symbol. I didnt think King Herod would knock you off so quickly. No, im based in Missouri. Moseley is not wrong: the earliest Christ followers were Jewish and no one tried to convert to Christianity, but that is because there was no Christianity to convert to at that point. A generation before Christ there were two great rabbis, Hillel and Shammai. The relics were found on 3 August AD 415. For example, I talk a bit about this issue in these posts: https://readingacts.com/2013/08/29/the-new-perspective-on-paul-did-paul-convert-to-christianity/, https://readingacts.com/2013/09/08/paul-and-judaism/, https://readingacts.com/2017/09/04/was-paul-a-pharisee/. Gamaliel is reflecting the Hillel tradition of non-violence and allowing God to deal with parties that against the Jews (Polhill, Paul and His Letters, 31). [1 & 2 Corinthians.}. Even if Judas was physically present, as we all realize now, he was not a true follower of Jesus. Now, we have got a complete detailed explanation and answer for everyone, who is interested! R. N. I feel that (not competent to know) clusters of questions like these make me second-guess just how far N.T. Since the entire ministry framework both Yeshua and Paul are 100% Jewish, meaning adherence oral and written law, you are to view it from that lense. Helpful. For that, we have to go to extra-biblical sources. There are three things bearing on this subject among the incidental intimations which we have in respect to the early history of Saul, viz. Why elevate the words of Marypaulhammad to the highest place, and use them as the lens to view and judge everything else? The Apostle Paul encountered Jesus on his way to Damascus in one of the most radical of ways, which led to his conversion and stepping into his call to follow Christ and preach the Gospel. The issue wasnt the Torah, the issue it was the corrupted law that man attached to the Torah. The soul of Saint Gamaliel appeared to the presbyter Lucian in AD 415 and told him where to find the relics of Stephen and those of his own body. Paul is the model pastor for many modern Pauls like; a) Bob Coy, who still owns all the assets and controls all the money at his cult known as Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, in spite of his recent resignation as Senior Pastor there due to adultery with multiple woman and other major sins that he still has never specifically admitted to personally. That is OK, if it is not handy then I can look it up myself. Anyway, I should save a throne for him too.. When Hillel died, his son Simeon assumed his position, but Simeon died shortly after he took office. I would agree that Saul takes a different approach than Gamaliel to the upstart church at the beginning of Acts, but I will insist that he returns to the teachings of his youth after his conversion (no doubt in no small part due to the Holy Spirit). And 1 as 1. This article is the result of when you remove the culture/context of the scriptures, the Hebraics of the Brist Chadasha (Renewed Testament) and injecting the christian outlook that Shaul (Paul) divorced his Jewish roots. How can we account for this violent reaction in a man trained by Gamaliel?, As a devout young Jewish man who was taught by quite a peaceful, que sera sera, member of the Sanhedrin, it is somewhat surprising that Paul (Saul at the time) would be one to persecute Jewish Christians so vehemently. ), STEP 3) Paul said; All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. [Romans 3:23] (Response- Again the same question; What were Pauls specific sins as a Christian? In fact, it is in this capacity where he is first mentioned in Acts 5. What were Pauls specific sins as a Christian? take Paul leaving his honor spot of next chief of the Sanhedrin (being Gamaliel's student). ), STEP 4) Paul said; Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. It is the drastic nature of the difference in his life after he surrenders to Jesus that testifies to the Power and Truth of who Christ is, as well as to the wonder of the great mystery that is later revealed to Paul! I pray that you will be blessed with the knowledge of Jesus Christ and Gods love through the cross for you. Therefore, he must have planted these groups himself. I have said I will ignore you since you are not interested in dialogue. However I do travel to Dallas for Shavuot to visit one of Messianic Rabbis down there. Dang, I wrote that and didnt respond to your last point. If his father was a very zealous man as well, then there is the possibility that that affected the way that Paul thought even before he entered into the teaching of Gamaliel. Paul would never have slowed down on his preaching to write the books in the bible we have to learn from, so God put him in prison. Supposition and/or conjecture certainly can allow for a yes that he was probably there because a Pharisee would most likely have gone to Jerusalem for the Pasch, Passover. therefore I urge you to imitate me, and I have become all things to all men. Paul thinks hes Boss, and doesnt need to listen to your instructions that I gave him.. Calling the Twelve to him, he sent them out two by two and gave them authority over evil spirits. [Mark 6:6-7], .2) Gospel of Luke time lag between being appointed and being sent One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. I find it interesting to look at this perspective that you pointed out, PLong: He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view. Everyone seems to give Saul a bad rap (and rightly so) for his actions towards believers before his conversion, however, this at least gives us a context to understand him better. This has already been proven many times over that James the Just was a Nasi, the Nazarites had a Sanhedrin, and per Euseibus the first bishops of the church were Hebrews who taught Torah along with the teachings of Yeshua and you didnt have a gentile bishop until Mark. Gamaliel established a number of lenient ordinances, in particular . One could envisage that the power of God was already hard wired in the heart some people through faith in his words and by grace in his blood just as Gamaliel proclaimed, A homeowner called his friend, who was a painting contractor. I justify everything I do If I testify about myself it MUST be true Im the only man in all history whose testimony doesnt need two or three. When did Paul study under Gamaliel? You are Simon son of John said Jesus, without elaboration. Maybe Gamaliel was strict with Saul,so Saul was being rebellious. Yes, 99.9% of Christians absolute gets Pauls writings wrong. If I did something it MUST be right Dont use the Scripture to shed any light Dont do as I say, do as I do and then you can be a Pharisee too. I meant to say for rejecting Mohammed (p) and worshipping a man who said worship God alone, Jesus (p), and adding a third God to the 1 and His son making a pagan Trinity, Christianity is anathema to its worshipped human founder (in name only and in Greek at that) who said OUR God is ONE worship HIM!. Peter testifies of this in 2 Peter 3:16. The underlying unspoken assumption is that The Bible (66 Books) was given to us by God as one book and its all equal in level of authority, priority, and importance. If you look at both the Greek and the Hebrew they were clearly called Netzarim (Nazarites) . Gymnasiums were built for these people who participated in game in which they engaged in sports naked. As a side note, Wright has an excellent article on that on http://www.ntwrightpage.com here: http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Paul_Arabia_Elijah.pdf. Sure im interested in dialgoue, however, if youre going to use replacement theology then were going to be at odds because im going to refute with what the bible actually says. Share of voice equals share of mind. That is not really the case. ), Paul is a Hillel talmudim through and though. It addresses exactly what I was thinking, and its thorough. A scribe would be among the most highly educated in Judaism, and since at the feet of Gamaliel implies a mentoring relationship, it seems to me that a near-equivalent would be a serious specialized Masters Program, if not a PhD. When did Paul study under Gamaliel? Christians threatened his view and interpretation of the law until his conversion in Acts 9. I know from the Scriptures that Paul Worship is wrong, but the entire Church Establishment says its right. [erase erase erase], Actually, the same is true for you Thaddaeus, after you were appointed. Phillip J. Long- Sorry i have nothing to learn from replacement theology or of Constantine Christianity followers who believe that somehow eventhough the book is filled with Jews or converts practicing Judaism is magically replaced by ridiculous made up church doctrine. If you say we dont know enough, or it isnt clear, you are not familiar with the text of the New Testament. . What was Paul's purpose in the Bible? His seeds are seeds of oppression and bondage. Yahweh is the path to freedom, not Paul. Acts recounts the times he faced persecution (13:45; 14:19) and risked his . The quicker we do it, the more profitable it is for us. So being an Apostle of Jesus involves being sent by Jesus, yes. Gamaliel may or may not have taken over the position when Simon died. And what kind of a stone is the most solid, permanent, and unchangeable? Later, when Im at the height of my career, and Im financially secure and I dont have to worry about finding a job or keeping my job, and I have some real influence- maybe 40 years from now, when Im, like, in my sixties, say in around 2013- thats when Ill really be able to stand up for Jesus. Paul had decided to preach to gentiles apparently out of his own revelatory experience that this was the mission that had been given him by God when God called him to function as a prophet for this new Jesus movement. Its not prejudice, youre blatantly misquoting Paul, Shammi and Hillel. If you Torah-observant Jews dont believe that the Yeshua (Jesus) of the 4 Gospels is really the Jewish Messiah, can you back that up with Torah and Nabiim ? Where is your yeshiva in Houston? The teachings he received included "the perfect manner of the law of the fathers" (Acts 22:3). His primary Thus, Matthew was providing a second written witness, confirming the testimony of Jesus.). No one in the pages of the Bible ever said or wrote that all Scripture, or the Bible, is all truly Gods words. I am trying to understand this whole post, but think the discussion is mainly about Paul and why he acted the way he did in persecuting christians after studying under Gamaliel who was more concerned with non violent acts. GamalielHe Taught Saul of Tarsus Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY GamalielHe Taught Saul of Tarsus THE crowd stood in hushed silence. Which is why the Holy Spirit and Jesus chose to use Paul I believe because he had all the good and needed training before his conversion. Its based on a misinterpretation, out of context, of one verse in one letter written by one man, Paul the Pharisee, who was unfamiliar with the personal ministry and teaching of Jesus. b) Greg Laurie, the Boss of a wide-ranging personal cult empire that generally goes by the name of Harvest. Greg lives in Newport Beach, commutes by helicopter, and exploits the very large church he founded in Riverside from a distance, while he does his own thing in Orange County and travels around wherever he feels like, building a personal business empire with himself as the center, not Jesus. As for your denial of a range of opinions in the first century, I suggest a something on the Dead Sea Scrolls, representing a more conservative view of practice than the Pharisees or Sadducees. We need to get to work applying that paint to the garage and house as quick as we can. . Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. The Hat is, What were Pauls sins?, The music starts, with a cheery blast of trumpets in a melody that is familiar to most North Americans- the Mexican Hat Dance. (The national dance of Mexico, taught in Mexican public schools since 1921, and officially named El Jarabe Tapatio.), A couple in rather elaborate traditional costumes begins the dance. Tobit is a good reference In the Babylonian Talmud, Zevahim 97b and 100b there are statements given in the name of Rabbi Akiva that in the case of an unclaimed body, if no one is attending to it, the responsibility for the buriasl of this corpse falls on this person, who must do it despite any obstacles, regardless if one is a High Priest or Nazirite, neither of whom are allowed to become tamei, ritually impure. Therefore, what Saul was taught was not based off of Gods truth. He also intimately knew Gamaliel was was there, at least at The time of Pentecost. This also convinces me that even though it seems he split from Gamaliel, early on, that did not change him into something completely opposite. And most of all, he wouldnt of been able to defend the Gospel in such a way as if he did not have the correct teaching. (Definition from the American Heritage Dictionary.) I see zero Biblical basis for the idea that Paul trained Apollos, or that Paul granted specific authority to any other individual in Corinth other than himself. Clinton. it seems like Gamaliels statement would be a good point to make in sharing the gospel message with people of the Jewish faith. .1) Gospel of Mark time lag between being appointed and being sent Jesus went up on a mountainside and called to him those he wanted, and they came to him. The Tanak wasnt the issue. You cite NT Wright as describing the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah. I do not, however, see this as the case in the rest of the book of Acts, where Paul works the Roman system in his favor. The Fast is known as Yom Kippur. The Book of Revelation written by the Apostle John, chapter 21 verse 14 says The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostle of the Lamb. Nothing about a 13th Apostle or an Apostle of the Gentiles. Dont be put off by the ravings of Paul the Pharisee that so many Bible-believing Christians push so hard. etc. If you dont ask about Pauls sins, I wont tell about them. St. Paul is simply an elect vessel, as an Apostle! What was his first name? 1. Let every matter be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses, as it says in the Law ! I found Pauls athletic references to be really intriguing as well Emily. Gamaliel is reported to have offered somewhat lenient advice concerning the early preaching of the apostles in Acts 5:34-39. The Apostle John recorded about the New Jerusalem, The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. [Revelation 21:14], The Apostles are 12 faithful eyewitnesses who walked with Jesus during His entire earthly ministry, and Matthias is the 12th. You are so far from understanding anything I have ever said it is humorous, actual insulting. / 2 Tim. Although in the Bible there are verses speaking about Pauls sister and nephew, there are no references to Pauls wife. Then again youre the one creating a construct that Paul was Shammai. So what is the application of this parable? Calling him a good man (Acts 11:24), a prophet and teacher (13:1), an apostle (14:14) and one through whom God worked miracles (15:12), Acts loads him with accolades. The people who Paul persecuted were Diaspora Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and claimed that God raised Jesus from the dead. whats d equivalence of studying at d feet of Gamaliel to todays education. He had nowhere to sleep, and had to go stay in a hotel for several days. Its not like there is a reason to believe a man who said, If my FALSEHOODS abound to Gods glory why am I being judged a sinner.?. The Lord Our God is ONE God worship HIM.. The alternative must be that the author of Acts was using some literary licence in portraying the event. On analogy to Supreme Court Justices dissenting in limited and specific cases (anomolies) as a dissenting minority against a majority with whom the dissent would normally agree? No research was taken into account of what the yeshivas of HIllel and Shammi taught and believed. You can read Peters advice for yourself- then open your Bible to Matthew, John, Revelation, and Mark, and listen to Jesus for yourself! (Paul said so is one witness, but you need to establish every matter by the testimony of two or three witnesses. Since the garage is smaller, we can finish that quicker. I think Jesus was God incarnate, but the preaching in Acts 2-3 that brings the increasingly violent reaction is that the Jews killed their true messiah and God raised him from the dead, *and* that he is coming back to judge the nation (starting with Caiaphas?). Heres part two of this poem this spot seems the most appropriate place, I am he who searches hearts and minds says the Risen Jesus Christ Repent and do what you did at first Dont be lazy since He paid the price, Yes, Jesus sees our sins today Dont think that He is blind But the words of paul the Pharisee Will put you in a bind, Jesus washed away your sins Dont listen to paul the accuser paul abandoned the Church in Corinth And then paul became an abuser, When you put your trust in Jesus Yes, your stains were white as snow You didnt need to wear a Scarlet Letter Everywhere you go, I will repay each of you According to your deeds This is Jesus speaking to The Church Not a business selling felt needs, For those who claim to be apostles Jesus said they must be tested Priscilla, Aquila, and Apollos Persevered and were not bested, They exposed the false teachings Of paul the Pharisee So the Church in Ephesus rejected paul And had a chance to be free, Bibliography All quotes are the words of Jesus, in Revelation Chapter 2, Do we know what language was spoken in Gamaliels school or likely to have been spoken Hebrew or Aramaic? In fact, it almost sounds as if he is name-dropping in order to impress people! I agree with you. Did paul study under gamaliel? Gamaliel the Elder was the grandson of the great Jewish Rabbi Hillel the Elder, and he kept to Hillel's interpretation of Jewish law. This is certainly not the opinion of his young disciple Saul when we meet him in Acts 9 and according to Pauls own self-description. 2 : any of numerous moths whose gregarious larvae spin communal nests usually in trees. My question is who is the artist who did the painting pictured here, possibly of Gamaliel? Their differing viewpoints do not seem like enough cause, to me, to doubt that Saul studied with Gamaliel. He is also quick to associate with gentiles, so he does not have a deep-seated hate for Romans in general as well. He fathered Simeon ben Gamliel, who was named for Gamaliel's father, and a daughter, who married a priest named Simon ben Nathanael. . Also Gamaliel was apart of the Sanhedrin which were the people that ultimately were the people who decided Jesus fate and persecuted many of the Jews. Besides Jesus, all the characters in the Bible had frailties- like Jonah and Paul. In Acts 5:34 he appears as an advocate of the nascent congregation of Jesus' disciples in Jerusalem and is called "a Pharisee, a teacher of the Law, held in honor by all the people.". So the biggest problem with the church in Corinth was Paul himself, and his abusive absentee leadership style. Whom did Paul study under? He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view (Jesus was the Messiah and the High Priest killed him!). Im sorry to shatter your confirmation bias but YEshua nor Paul were Christians. The moment Paul stopped persecuting the disciples of Jesus Christ, he stopped fighting against God. Im sorry that Christians cant come to grips in their confirmation bias that both Yeshua and Pauls ministries was infact Judaism. Acts 26:4. Gamaliel the Elder, or Rabban Gamaliel I, was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the early first century CE. Tha A in TanAch. teresa marina tabucchi; antonia reininghaus daughter; mountain view ar tornado 1996; safari photography settings; catfish bite force; professional executor services Saul (Paul) Persecutes the Church [edit | edit source] In Chapter 9 of Acts, we come into close contact with Saul, later known as Paul, for the first time. But Jesus said, do not take the best seats (Luke 14:7-11), and to be like a child (Luke 18:15-17). And I need to save a throne for my mom, or shell be mad. Why ignore the words of our Lord God Jesus Christ, Son of Yahweh the Most High God of Israel, who came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets? 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